السبت، يناير 26، 2013

Iraqi army fires on protesters in Fallujah

From this morning:

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Freddie Starr يقول...

Freddie Starr was taken to hospital with 'excruciating' kidney pains

غير معرف يقول...

Freddie Starr ate my hamster!

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.      يقول...

 
Well, Zeyad,

Do you have any light to shed on these incidents beyond what the folks from ABC are telling us?

Marcus يقول...

What were the protests about?

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...

 
      "What were the protests about?"

You may have to read into page two.  They claim multiple grievances.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

And it sounds like these various grievances aren't being addressed to their satisfaction. Until that happens it would seem that these types of protests will continue.

From the link that Lee left it doesn't appear that the Iraqi Army was conducting a widescale crackdown, but was caught flatfooted.

Poorly led troops can be just as dangerous as those led with malice.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

A rather strange case here that PeteS may find interesting, or disturbing.

Petes يقول...

Interesting and disturbing, thanks Lynnette. Seems pretty hypocritical.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

I thought so, too, Pete.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...

 
Note Re:  American politics (and economic matters, which is the important part)

The House of Representatives passed a debt-ceiling bill intended to ‘suspend’ the debt-ceiling until 19 May 2013.  However, they apparently did not take notice of the fact that the debt-ceiling was actually reached back around the first of January, and that the Obama administration had extended the available credit by a couple of months by what they called ‘extraordinary measures’.  This basically consisted of some accounting tricks that would play themselves out after a couple of months.  The Obama administration has apparently undone the accounting tricks, returning to regular accounting, and, if they can borrow through the 19th of May, they think they can re-employ the same accounting fudges to extend the debt-ceiling date into August of this year.  Politico.com

(At one point I speculated that they might simply borrow in advance of the debt-ceiling date
(no dollar amount was included in that ‘suspension’ so that the Republicans could campaign in 2014 whilst denying they'd ever voted for "more debt".)  The Obama administration has apparently decided to not push it quite that far, but they expect to get August out of it.)

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

In addition we have the gridlock in Congress to thank for delays in tax refunds for some people. Some forms are not going to be ready for processing until late February. For example, if you own a business, and file a Schedule C with depreciation, this means you.

Ain't Washington grand?

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Meanwhile, in Egypt, the question is, will the country implode?

And, it appears that Syria needs to think twice before moving weapons to Lebanon. Someone is watching.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...

 
      "Meanwhile, in Egypt, the question is, will the
      country implode?
"

Things are indeed lookin’ rather dicey there.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Things are indeed lookin’ rather dicey there.

Egypt is such an integral part of the region that it makes the whole region look dicey. *sigh*

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

I see they attacked the Presidential palace today.

Heri يقول...

It is indeed ironic ...... until this moment still not peaceful.

Petes يقول...

Lynnette, a CNN report on that Colorado case against Catholic Health
initiatives.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Pete,

A tragedy for the family. If the hospital is true to its beliefs it would not fight the lawsuit on the grounds that the fetuses were not people. No need to send it to the court at all.

As for the other case where the woman lost her baby because of the actions of a drunken driver, I tend to agree with how other states have handled it, in that the critical factor is, is the fetus viable outside the womb? And it sounds as if it was.

Petes يقول...

[Lynnette]: "If the hospital is true to its beliefs it would not fight the lawsuit on the grounds that the fetuses were not people. No need to send it to the court at all."

Interesting case though. I'm guessing the lawyers acting for the hospital are just doing what lawyers do -- minimising the costs to their client. And furthermore, I'm guessing that the hospital will have some sort of public liability insurance. What would their insurers think of them paying out in a case where, according to Colorado state law, there is no case to answer at all? I'm guessing they would lose their insurance or face dramatically increased costs. So are the odds stacked against Catholic institutions in Colorado -- they're expected to pay out in cases where nobody else would, increasing their operating costs relative to everyone else?

Petes يقول...

[Lynnette]: "As for the other case where the woman lost her baby because of the actions of a drunken driver, I tend to agree with how other states have handled it, in that the critical factor is, is the fetus viable outside the womb?"

So, two pregnant women who are both equally looking forward to having their children, should be treated differently in similar cases depending on whether the baby is 22 weeks or 24 weeks old? One would have cause for redress, but not the other.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

What would their insurers think of them paying out in a case where, according to Colorado state law, there is no case to answer at all? I'm guessing they would lose their insurance or face dramatically increased costs.

That would depend upon whether or not they filed a claim I should think. I don't know what the guy was asking for in damages.

So are the odds stacked against Catholic institutions in Colorado -- they're expected to pay out in cases where nobody else would, increasing their operating costs relative to everyone else?

A real conumdrum this. Do you follow your principles or your wallet? But this assumes that the hospital would be found negligent. Sometimes things happen that no one can fix.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

So, two pregnant women who are both equally looking forward to having their children, should be treated differently in similar cases depending on whether the baby is 22 weeks or 24 weeks old?

If the fetus is viable outside the womb then criminal homicide charges are an option. Otherwise you must find redress in civil court.

Petes يقول...

[Lynnette]: "If the fetus is viable outside the womb then criminal homicide charges are an option. Otherwise you must find redress in civil court."

No more or less than that "Catholic" hospital's actions, it sounds arbitrary, cruel, and wrong to me.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

As sad as the loss is, justice must be found within the law. And the law must try to take into account many situations that may be affected by it.

There is a reason for both criminal and civil court.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Just a small aside. It's snowing to beat the band right now. It seems like that is all its done in February. Although hopefully this won't be as bad as the storm they just had out east.

Petes يقول...

[Lynnette]: "As sad as the loss is, justice must be found within the law. And the law must try to take into account many situations that may be affected by it."

Yes, of course. In this case the law must somehow justify that it is legal to kill a child below a certain age, so of course it cannot then rule that it is criminal homicide to do so just because someone other than the mother initiates it. Show you how twisted and evil the law can become when such moral contortions are necessary.

Petes يقول...

Weather here has remained surprisingly clement in spite of snow and floods elsewhere. Quite a lot of rain about, and night time temperatures have fluctuated a lot between perhaps 2 and 13 Centigrade. Nothing you could complain about for an Irish February.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

In this case the law must somehow justify that it is legal to kill a child below a certain age,...

And therein lies the problem. The definition of a child, or in other words, when does life begin? And the state of Colorado has decided only after a fetus is viable outside the womb. This is the abortion issue wrapped in other clothes.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Nothing you could complain about for an Irish February.

Well, actually, other than a few cold days it hasn't been too bad here either. But I'm from Minnesota and talking, or complaining, about the weather is an ingrained character trait, I think. ;)

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Petes يقول...

[Lynnette]: "This is the abortion issue wrapped in other clothes."

I agree completely. It's a good illustration of the mendacity involved when abortion is painted as only a matter of choice for an individual woman. There's never any mention of the legal implications for women who lose their children through homicide. Or rather, something which is classed as homicide one day, whereas it wouldn't have been a day earlier... all to protect the legally endorsed fiction that abortion isn't homicide all the time.

JG يقول...

Very interesting dispatch here from Syria by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad (AKA G. in Baghdad).

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Pete,

It boils down to when does a person become a person. Once that is decided it flows into the decision process for the law.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

JG,

Thanks for the link. I printed it out and will read it this evening.

Petes يقول...

@Lynnette, 1:01 PM ... agreed.

anan يقول...

Zeyad, why do you think the Iraqi Army is so popular among Iraqis? Is it because Iraqis are so scared about the violence of 2004-2007 returning?

You knew all along (from 2004) that the Iraqi Army victory in the Iraqi civil war was inevitable. What about the Iraqi Army has surprised you?

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