الجمعة، يوليو 20، 2012

Saudi authorities detain webmaster

They are really serious about trying to put an end to those pesky bloggers who 'insult Islam':
Saudi authorities have detained a Saudi national for setting up a website that "harms the public order and violates Islamic values", court documents and his lawyer said on Tuesday.

Saudi Arabia, which follows an austere version of Sunni Islam, shows little tolerance towards public dissent and censors its media. Cyber crime regulations that came into force in 2007 make bloggers and website owners legally accountable for what they publish online.

The 25-year-old Ra'if Badawi, who runs the website "Free Saudi Liberals", was charged with cyber crime and also with disobeying his father, which is considered a crime in the conservative Arab monarchy and top US ally.

"He did that by setting up a website that harms the public order and violates Islamic values, including insulting the divine being and attacking some religious icons such as the Grand Mufti," a document from the Bureau of Investigation and Public Prosecution showed.
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 This is the Saudi 'Grand Mufti':

 

 I mean, come on. Who can resist not making fun of this guy?

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   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Marcus يقول...

What's happening in Colorado? Totally insane.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Marcus يقول...

No, the cinema shootings.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Marcus يقول...

From what I've gathered so far at least one gunman dresssed up in a gasmask entered the cinema about 30 minutes into the film. He threw teargas or smoke grenades and opened fire with an AR15 assault rifle. Killing 14 and wounding as many as maybe 50 others. There have been some witnesses who claim there were at least two gunmen (but that could be just a common mistake, the same was said during Breivik's shooting in Norway, so it might have been just one).

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Zeyad يقول...

Lee, why does it irk you when people mention that Saudi Arabia is a US ally? It's not like they're making up that part. Your country has been close buddies with the Saud family at least since WWII, and US president after president have prostrated themselves in front of the Saudi king. The fact that you don't like it has no bearing on the issue.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

...was charged with cyber crime and also with disobeying his father...

It is a pity that all of our allies do not also use our Constitution. Cyber crimes here tend to run more along the lines of fraud not freedom of speech. And nowhere do I know of is there any law against disobeying one's father. But I suppose if I were to suggest a rewrite of anyone's laws I would be accused of infringing on their sovereignty. Oh! The trauma of listening to certain commenters all these years.

Zeyad يقول...

LOL, you're doing it again, except your explanation of why it upsets you makes even less sense this time. Saudi Arabia is a very close US ally, and it doesn't matter if you personally agree with the definition of 'ally' or not. Last I heard it wasn't mandatory for the population of an allied nation to like you for them to be considered an ally. The fact that you have had several bilateral agreements with the Saudi government for the last six decades is enough reason for them to be considered a 'top US ally'. 'Arab backwardness' (seriously?) has nothing to do with it either.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Marcus,

It was one 24 year old man, James Holmes, who did the shooting. He carried a shitload of weapons, was wearing a gas mask and body armor and threw some kind of gas canister into the back of the theatre. I am listening to an eye witness right now who says that a man got a call on a cell phone and went to an exit door and about 15 minutes later the shooter came in. It is unclear if he was saying there were 2 men or 1 as the sound was bad. The shooter gave himself up. The last count I heard was 12 dead and 71 wounded.

One of the wounded was a 3 month old baby, who is doing well at this time. Of course, this begs the question of who brings a 3 month old baby to a movie theatre at midnight, but that is not the central story here, obviously.

A horrible event for all involved.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

I don't know, I think I'd have to call that argument a draw on points.

KSA is our ally, of convenience yes, but an ally never the less.

And the laws they are invoking are backward. I would guess they are not exclusive to Arab countries, though. My guess is Iran has something similar and they are Persian.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Machine Prints Books on Demand

The machine is designed to print a book -- largely indistinguishable from any book you'd find on a shelf -- from any of 8 million titles it has in its database. And, yes, amateur writers, it can also create a genuine book from that novel or memoir you've been sitting on for years.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

They must make the Saudi out to be a ‘top US ally’, like that's gonna make some self-evident difference about something.

Except, I am not sure who "they" are. The article was on Reuters and I didn't see any byline. Zeyad just seems to be excerpting them. His point all along seems to pertain to the lack of freedom to blog, which I can see he would sympathize with.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...

 
      "The article was on Reuters and I didn't see any
      byline.
"

Did you see any extraneous mention of Saudi Arabia being a ‘top US ally' there?  If there was one there I certainly missed it.  I thought it was Zeyad himself who thought that was relevant and a required and somehow relevant thing to mention.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Yeah, I just grabbed that paragraph to show you, Lee, but you beat me to it. Zeyad's emphasis was actually on the part about the blogger disobeying his father. Another sore point for him, I'm sure.

Anyway, I'm off to grab a chocolate shake at my favorite ice cream shop. It rained a little today and is going to get hot and steamy. Lucky I cut grass last night.

See ya.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال المؤلف هذا التعليق.
   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Having read a dicussion about the roots of Saudi fundamentalism on a Saudi blog, I can say that their alliance with the US did not come up as a cause.

I guess I'm confused with why you are taking this line of argument when I haven't seen Zeyad, or anyone else here, talking about the causes of fundamentalism. The nearest Zeyad came to that was when he talked about tribalism. And tribalism, btw, would seem to be the point of origin for that law in KSA about not disobeying one's father.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.      يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Somehow I think you're preaching to the choir, Lee.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Shisha.

Huh! So much for those days bygone.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.      يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Petes يقول...

^
LOL. No, the troll ain't defensive at all ... he's only made ten snarky comments on the matter so far.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Oh, btw, in case anyone missed it, Omar Suleiman died on Thursday at a clinic in Ohio.

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

I was referring to the Bachmann debacle earlier. As for his stance on arming the rebels, I am not surprised by that. It sounds like the Obama administration is more interested in enhancing the rebel's communications and intelligence abilities. Or so they say.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Bamia sounds good, Zeyad. Anything with a tomato base sounds good, actually. I've never tried okra, myself, but I've heard it's good. You'll have to try Texas chili, if you haven't already.

Zeyad يقول...

Lynnette, I eat chili (the kind with beans) at least once a week. It's my favorite Texas dish so far.

Petes يقول...

I hope you do it in a well ventilated area, Zeyad ;-)

   Lee C.  ―   U.S.A.     يقول...
أزال أحد مشرفي المدونة هذا التعليق.
Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

It's my favorite Texas dish so far.

One of my favorite dishes too (with beans). :)

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

The rebels are getting the guns they need elsewhere.

So they say. But it's all circular, eventually it will work its way back to us. If only in people's minds.

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