الاثنين، مارس 12، 2012

Iraq just gets more and more wonderful

Another nice, friendly banner on a concrete block in Baghdad, basically threatening to enforce hijab:


Ultimatum... warning. Beware of uncovering [your head] and adorning yourself because it violates [the teachings of] ALL religions. He who was warned is henceforth excused. Note: whoever removes this banner will be subject to severe punishment.

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♥hind♥ يقول...

Ouch - insane people everywhere.

Freddie al-Najmah يقول...

♥hind♥ ate my hamster

Petes يقول...

[Lee, from previous]: "It's a mistake to believe that these folks think like westerners.
You tend make the same mistake with the Palestinians. You tend to make them out to be like Irishmen in dashikis, putting up the good and noble fight against the English speaking foreigners come to put them off their land."


How do you figure that? (Doubt it was anything I wrote, but then, it rarely is).

♥hind♥ يقول...

@freddy im very offended by your trolling comment. *LOL*

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

      "How do you figure that?"

Always asking the wrong questions.  How I figured it out is less important than that I figured it out.

      Zeyad wrote:
      "He who was warned is henceforth excused."

Do I guess correctly that this translates to mean that past offenses are considered pardoned by the zealots, but failure to comply going forward brings a penalty?

Um Ayad يقول...

They would never make me wear the hijab or abaya... So that means I can never go back to Iraq again! I have nothing against women wearing the hijab as long as it is of their own choice and not forced upon them. They should be free to dress (within reason) the way they like.

How the lives of women in Iraq has changed! They have lost the freedom they once had. So much for the promised freedom. No wonder so many educated Iraqis I know have left the country. My husband would hate me to wear the hijab, none of the women in his family did.

Um Ayad يقول...

Nine killed in robbery at Baghdad gold market

Armed robbers have attacked a gold market in Iraq, killing nine people and wounding at least 14 others.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17344286

Um Ayad يقول...

Video: Afghanistan militants attack Kandahar killings site

Militants in Afghanistan have launched an attack on a government delegation visiting the site where a US soldier killed 16 civilians.

Two of Afghan President Hamid Karzai's brothers and several top security officials were in the delegation in Panjwai in Kandahar province.
One Afghan soldier and three militants were killed, police said, and the delegation is heading back to Kandahar.

The US soldier said to have carried out Sunday's attacks is under arrest.
The unnamed 38-year-old staff sergeant is being held at an undisclosed location.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17349736

Marcus يقول...

Lee: "Do I guess correctly that this translates to mean that past offenses are considered pardoned by the zealots, but failure to comply going forward brings a penalty?"

I'd guess sso too. Or more to the point:

"If you shameless whores abandon your wicked ways and cover yourselves up in black sheets from head to toe, we will (might) forget about your previous transgressions. But if you do not we will kidnap you, gangrape you and toss your sindful flesh off a tall building!"

Something like that.

Petes يقول...

When you put it like that Marcus, it sounds entirely reasonable. :-)

Um Ayad thinks women should be allowed to dress as they like,within reason. So do the zealots, it seems to me. They just have a different idea of what's within reason.

It's ironic that they refer to "HE" who has been warned.

Petes يقول...

[Lee]: "Always asking the wrong questions. How I figured it out is less important than that I figured it out."

As I thought. Trolling.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

I had a point to make and I made it.  The fact that you want to quibble about how I came to that conclusion (a matter of somewhat lesser importance) does not make me the troll here.

zealot يقول...

He who has trolled is henceforth excused

Zeyad يقول...

It's more like if you don't comply after this warning then we can't be blamed for what happens to you. i.e. blame the victim

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

He who was warned is henceforth excused.

I noticed that wording myself. It looks like they are saying those who have been warned are excused from the covering up. However, my guess is that you are right in your interpretation, Zeyad.

Perhaps instead of removing the message a clarification should be requested? ;) And, also, is any kind of covering allowed? Perhaps a nice Halloween mask would do? Or is a sense of humor punishable as well?

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

He who has trolled is henceforth excused.

From trolling or from reading your comments?

Marcus يقول...

About "tough oil":

http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NC15Dj02.html

JG يقول...

Lynnette: "However, my guess is that you are right in your interpretation, Zeyad."

Well yeah, he speaks and reads Arabic so I guess he's probably right!

Marcus يقول...

Yeah, Um Ayad:

"I have nothing against women wearing the hijab as long as it is of their own choice and not forced upon them. They should be free to dress (within reason) the way they like."

What is "within reason" and who decides that in your opinion? Is high heels, a short skirt and a top that shows the midriff "within reason", or isn't it?

Really tight jeans, are they "within reason"?

And if something is not "within reason" what should the consequenses be?

Your comment implies that women should be free to dress as they like within reason so presumably if they do not dresss within those limits then someone should set them straight. Who? How? Please elaborate, Um Ayad.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

[JG] Well yeah, he speaks and reads Arabic so I guess he's probably right!

Gone for so long and come back argumentative, JG?

*sigh*

I don't think you need to speak or read Arabic to understand the intent of that message. My facetiousness arises from the silliness of their desire to make women cover up, not the writing itself.

What people choose to wear is their business and no one elses. That these people should try to play God (or Allah) is presumptuous to say the least. If they really have any thought that there is an afterlife, they would think twice about pissing off God.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Zeyad,

I hope you did not misinterpret my comment to have anything to do with your translation. I certainly would not make mock of my host. I may argue with you, but would never make fun of you.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

March in Minnesota and I've been sitting out on the deck over the past weekend. The temps are supposed to be in the 70's next week. Very enjoyable, but scary as well. For those who don't think there is climate change happening, you may want to rethink that.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

News flash; headline:  "U.S. Has 60 Times More Than Obama Claims"

      "…the U.S. has 1.4 trillion barrels of technically
      recoverable oil, according to the Institute for Energy
      Research, enough to meet all U.S. oil needs for
      about the next 200 years, without any imports.
      "And even this number could be low…
"

Apparently Obama is hiding most of our oil.

JG يقول...

Lynnette

Gone for so long and come back argumentative, JG?

*sigh*


Ah I was only joking! And I couldn't agree more with what you said about the sickos behind this banner.

I'm jealous of your weather. Horizontal rain here today! :)

Petes يقول...

That's because it's Paddy's weekend, JG$. The weather is getting ready to rain on everyone's parade. Don't think I'll be taking this opportunity to go to my first one ever.

Lynnette, in spite of the upcoming rain, it's been unseasonably spring-like here for more than a month. Plant and bird species have all arrived early, with speculation that some of the migrating birds simply didn't bother ( - migrating, that is).

Will be interesting to see what the outward migration does ... about half the entire population of Greenland's white-fronted geese overwinter just down the road from me ... they would normally be taking to the skies in a few weeks time after fattening up on spring grass. I wonder will they go early, since we've already been cutting lawns for weeks.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

Rumor has it that the U.S. and U.K. have agreed to a plan to release supplies from their strategic oil reserves.  Obama's taking heat from the rise in gas prices, and it is an election year.
And, there's little doubt that a good portion of the current jump in oil prices is the result of manipulation by speculators.  Threatening to catch a few of them holding the bag can cut down on the speculation.

Um Ayad يقول...

Marcus,

"What is "within reason" and who decides that in your opinion? Is high heels, a short skirt and a top that shows the midriff "within reason", or isn't it?"

When I wrote "within reason" I just meant to consider they are in an Arab country where they are more conservative. I know due to the hot weather Westerners tend to strip off and go out shopping in beachwear. Around the home or pool... why not!

Mini skirts and cropped tops would cause them unwelcome attention and could offend. If women are happy with that... fine! It is up to them. I don't think anybody should put them straight or there should be any consequences. It is what they feel comfortable with.

You know it is the same in Europe, people want to ban women from wearing hijab/abaya/niqab. I think the same, it is up to them and they should wear what they like. The good thing about London is you see people wearing traditional dress from all over the world. It makes life more interesting.

To be honest I wore the same type of clothes in Iraq as I wear in the UK, knee length or long skirts, slacks/trousers, blouses, T-shirts, sweaters, suits depending on the occasion and the weather. Of course if I went swimming in the Alwiyah club I would wear a swimsuit. I always wear high heels, I don't own any flat shoes or boots. Lol

On a rare really hot day here in the UK I would wear a cotton kaftan in the home or garden. I learnt in Baghdad that was the best way in those high temperatures. I love wearing kaftans they are cooler and look smart and elegant. Even my English friends wear them. When we travel we buy them for each other from different countries and I know where I can buy them in the UK.

Don't know why we have to follow everyone else, it is like wearing a uniform. I had enough of that at boarding school. My first job was training to be a fashion buyer at Harrods. I would wear the clothes I liked when nobody else had them, as soon as everyone else followed that fashion, I would be on to something different.

I just don't like to offend others but what I do or like might not suit others.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

[JG] I'm jealous of your weather. Horizontal rain here today! :)

The wife of one of the guys at work is in California visiting her niece this week. She called and said she might have to go and buy some clothes because what she brought wasn't warm enough. It was supposed to be in the 50's and rainy there all week. lol! It's actually nicer here in Minnesota!

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

[PeteS] ...about half the entire population of Greenland's white-fronted geese overwinter just down the road from me ... they would normally be taking to the skies in a few weeks time after fattening up on spring grass.

Words to the wise...wear a hat.

Seriously, though, the problem with abnormally warm weather is it messes up the seasons for animals and plants. Early budding trees may be hurt if there comes a frost again, etc. Abrupt change will make adapting more difficult.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

[Lee} And, there's little doubt that a good portion of the current jump in oil prices is the result of manipulation by speculators.

Currently gas is running between $3.55 - $3.68 here.

Threatening to catch a few of them holding the bag can cut down on the speculation.

There is always risk inherent in speculation. Or in other words...too bad. They don't garner much sympathy here.

Marcus يقول...

@Um Ayad

Fair answer.

I'd like to add though that I am in agreement with the so called burka-ban to some degree (Burka and Niqab, that is, not the regular veil). In schools, many places of employment, certainly for police officers, and while driving a car, to name a few examples.

I have only heard of one such case in Sweden that I can think of (Niqab in school) so it's certainly not a big problem. But it's become a focus issue for a few radical Islamists on one side and a far greater number of anti-Islamists (the so called Counter Jihad movement) on the other.

I'd like for politicians to just treat is as a practical matter unrelated to religion and on par with wearing a ski-mask. You can do that in some places, in others it doesn't work. It doesn't have to be a law against religious clothing but against covering the face in general, in certain places/situations. Quite possibly though that wouldn't satisfy either the radical Islamists or the Counter Jihadists one little bit.

Um Ayad يقول...

@ Marcus

I think yours was a fair answer too.

JG يقول...

Interesting comments about clothes, Um Ayad. I agree with you that how people dress should not be legislated for.

In Ireland, the speaker of the parliament wants to introduce a dress code, aimed at left-wing members who don't wear suits. Why do we all have to look the same? And can he not think of more important things to busy himself with?!

JG يقول...

That emo story is getting a bit more coverage. Awful stuff.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/rights-groups-slam-targeting-iraqi-emo-teenagers

Petes يقول...

[Lee]: "Rumor has it that the U.S. and U.K. have agreed to a plan to release supplies from their strategic oil reserves. Obama's taking heat from the rise in gas prices, and it is an election year.
And, there's little doubt that a good portion of the current jump in oil prices is the result of manipulation by speculators. Threatening to catch a few of them holding the bag can cut down on the speculation."


No surprise to see you spoutin' nonsense, but followin' a Bill O'Reilly pet peeve is an unexpected new departure.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

      "…a Bill O'Reilly pet peeve…"

I hit on a minimum of four different points.  Not sure which of them you think is a ‘pet peeve’ of Bill O'Reilly.  Reckon I don't much care.
Neither am I much interested in dragging out of you what your point here was supposed to be.
You spend way too much of your time not making your point.  Ain't interested in you spending my time in that dance too.

Petes يقول...

Ignorance, as they say, is bliss.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

      "Petes said...[@]3:02 PM"

I was going to let it rest there.  Petes has a thing about getting in the last word, and I figured that was as good a place to let him have the last word as any other.  And then, it occurred to me that maybe I ought to at least flag this for the benefit of future reference.
The invitation was there for Petes to get around to maybe actually making a point, if he had a point to make.  Obviously he decided to not do that. 
If he actually had a point, well, he's still keepin’ it to himself.
But, he usually has to get in the last word; some sort of an OCD thing with him, so that'll probably be coming up next, and it'll probably still not clarify what his point was supposed to be.

So, go for it Petes.  Get in the last word; let's get it over with.

Petes يقول...

Yawn...

For someone not interested in draggin' things out, y'all sure have a problem with lettin' things lie. Y'all prefer to wallow in yer ignorance, that's perfectly fine by me. Nothin' new in that.

Petes يقول...

Yawn...

For someone not interested in draggin' things out, y'all sure have a problem with lettin' things lie. Y'all prefer to wallow in yer ignorance, that's perfectly fine by me. Nothin' new in that.

Petes يقول...

A belated happy Paddy's day to all here. Or as we usually don't say here:

Beannachtaí na Féile Pádraig oraibh! ... agus ná téigh thar fóir leis an deoch :-)

(Although I suppose the latter admonition is too late if you've already over-imbibed)

Petes يقول...

(Which reminds me, I also forgot to wish Bridget "Beannachtaí na Féile Brighid ort" for the start of spring :-)

Petes يقول...

And it must be high time for one of these.

Petes يقول...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Canadian John holds off the forces of oppression with his peashooter.

Marcus يقول...

Big series in one of our tabloids right now about Iraqi girls either with residency-rights in Sweden or citizenship who get kidnapped by their family, taken back to Iraq and forced into marriage. Or sometimes killed.

It seems to follow the same pattern where the girl goes to school and the family, usually led by the father, thinks she disgraces the family honour somehow. Could be by simply talking to boys it seems, or wearing makeup. In extreme cases the girl is forced or lured back to their homecountry and married off there. It seems the majority, or a disproportionately large number, are from Iraqi Kurdistan.

Girls tossed from balconies is also a new feature in Swedish society these days. Suicide, claims the family with one voice, but everyone knows it wasn't.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.    يقول...

On the bright side, they're keepin’ it in the family; they're not posting warnings in the streets that the rest of ya'll gotta comply.

Marcus يقول...

Not always within the family. A 20 YO Afghan man had boiling oil poured over his face and was then stabbed to death by his girlfriend's family, also Afghanis. Another "honour"-crime here in Sweden. But mostly it's the daughter who gets either killed or ferried back home and married off (it seems to depend on how far their "crime of passion" went whether or not they are considered worthy of marriage instead of death).

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Hmmm...since someone brought up Irish music, this seems to fit with Zeyad's post.

(Beautiful song you left, Pete.)

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Marcus & Um Ayad,

I also believe that there are circumstances where a full facial covering is not appropriate, such as a drvier's licence photo. That is a document that is specifically designed for identification purposes.

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

*sigh*

"licence" = "license'

Petes يقول...

Jeez, Lynnette. How many "Oirish" outfits must be touring the US, milking the Celtic music market. These folks are mostly unheard of in Ireland. I never heard of Celtic Thunder (or Celtic Woman, or any of the rest of the sorry lot) except through Youtube. Although their creator, Phil Coulter, has been creating the most insipid Oirishy music since I was a nipper. Horrendous stuff :-(

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

lol!

But Pete they have such cute accents...

Petes يقول...

You DO realise it's completely mimed -- every word, every note, every dance tap! Some ten-bucks-an-hour session musician is probably playing the guitar on this one, and some two-bucks-an-hour technician is pressing "Play" on the CD player backstage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHhjG_y1kM&feature=related

As for those Oirish nymphettes that leap across the stage, never missing a note on the fiddle ... haven't seen anything so unreal since the mics accidentally fell off the stage at Riverdance without interrupting the singing.

;-)

Lynnette In Minnesota يقول...

Nymphettes? I wasn't going to mention it, but the guys are pretty cute too! lol!

There now, you just gave me an excuse to listen to Celtic Thunder again. :)

...haven't seen anything so unreal...

Obviously you never watch American musicians on stage.

At least the Irish performers aren't wearing meat...

Malak يقول...

Whoever who did that, Hope to get a punishment on his daring to enforce hijab. unfortunately these days there're so many bad people enforce the other innocent people to fellow their limited thoughts...........