Tuesday, February 08, 2011

Majority of Americans sympathetic to Egypt protestors

Gallup is out with a new national poll on Americans' views of the pro-democracy protests in Egypt. The results show that fear-mongering by some in the media about a post-Mubarak Egypt has apparently not taken hold, with huge majorities expressing sympathy for the protesters:

Overall, are you sympathetic or unsympathetic to the protestors in Egypt who have called for a change in the government?

Very sympathetic 42 | Somewhat sympathetic 40 | Somewhat unsympathetic 6 | Very unsympathetic 5 | No opinion 6

So 82 percent of Americans are sympathetic to the protesters. Among those who are "following the situation in Egypt very or somewhat closely," that number actually goes up slightly, to 87 percent.


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82 comments:

RhusLancia said...

Good for us!

Anonymous said...

good on you!

Anonymous said...

The irony of course is that while most Americans can clearly recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Egyptian people for freedom and democracy and an end to a 30 year reign of a dictatorship which rendered Egypt a police state... most are unaware that it was 30 billion dollars of American aid that created and sustained that Egyptian monster.

RhusLancia said...

Conan Explains the Situation in Egypt

Freddie Starr said...

RhusLancia ate my hamster.

RhusLancia said...

And I shall eat it again, too, Freddie!

Bruno said...

I think that it's good that the protests have a groundswell of American support. It shows that the US public has come some way (I fervently hope) since it swallowed all the neocon porkies fed to it.

Of course, Anonymous, above, makes a very sharp point when saying: "most are unaware that it was 30 billion dollars of American aid that created and sustained that Egyptian monster."

It's S.O.P. to keep the average murkin as uninformed as possible about where US "foreign aid" really goes.

I wonder if it ever crosses that average American's mind, just how much could have been accomplished at home with those billions of dollars doled out in the cause of repression and dictatorship?

Bruno said...

People have been predicting some sort of an agreement that will bring the uprising to an end for several days now, but as the anti-government protests in Egypt enter their third week, they seem to be growing again.

The release of “missing” Google executive Wael Ghonim appears to be part of the reason, as he revealed his kidnapping by the Mubarak government and his detention for 12 days in blindfolded isolation, adding to the belief that the US-backed government is not, despite US claims to the contrary, making meaningful reforms."

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/02/08/as-week-three-begins-egypt-protests-growing-again/

Bruno said...

Human rights group Amnesty International is accusing the Iraqi government of operating secret prisons in which detainees are "systematically tortured" to extract confessions that are used to convict them. In a report issued Tuesday, the London-based group says the Iraqi ministries of interior and defense operate detention facilities - some secret - in which the alleged abuses have occurred. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has denied that his government runs secret prisons.

Amnesty says it has documented various examples of torture in Iraqi prisons in recent years, including rape, the threat of rape, beatings with cables and hosepipes and electric shocks. It says Iraqi prisoners also have been subjected to suspension by the limbs, piercing the body with drills, asphyxiation with plastic bags, removal of toenails with pliers, and breaking of limbs.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Amnesty-Accuses-Iraq-of-Operating-Secret-Prisons-to-Torture-Detainees-115559154.html

An Iraqi officer, with a Brigadier rank has been assassinated in an improvised explosive device (IED) blast close to his house in northwestern Baghdad on Tuesday, a security source said.

http://en.aswataliraq.info/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=140880&l=1

Bruno said...

POWELL, RUMMY and the gang knew that they were lying, when they lied:

"Shaffer wrote on September 5, 2002 that he had been asked by Rumsfeld what the U.S. did not know in terms of percentage about Iraq's WMD program.

"We've struggled to estimate unknowns, and the attached briefing sumps up our best J2 sense," he said. J2 is an intelligence group supporting top level U.S. defense officials.

"We range from 0 % to about 75 % knowledge on various aspects of their program," he said.

The group did not know the status of any nuclear enrichment facilities, centrifuge program development, or attempts by Iraq to purchase a nuclear weapon or know with confidence about the location of any nuclear weapon-related facilities.

"Our knowledge of the Iraqi nuclear weapons program is based largely - perhaps 90% - on analysis of imprecise intelligence," the report states.

The report said "we believe" Iraq had 7 mobile biological weapons production plants "but cannot locate them." On chemical weapons, the U.S. could not confirm the identity of any Iraqi sites that could produce the final chemical agent."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/110099/20110208/iraq-wmd-evidence-donald-rumsfeld-george-bush.htm#

programmer craig said...

...most are unaware that it was 30 billion dollars of American aid that created and sustained that Egyptian monster.

We are unaware of that because it isn't true.

Nasser->Sadat->Mubarak

Only Mubarak was "our" guy, and Sadat got assassinated for switching brands from USSR. Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative, but you'll just have to deal with that.

programmer craig said...

from the post: The results show that fear-mongering by some in the media about a post-Mubarak Egypt has apparently not taken hold, with huge majorities expressing sympathy for the protesters

That's another untruth. The alleged "fear-mongering" has worked with me, and I have quite a bit of sympathy for the protesters anyway. I'm not alone in that.

programmer craig said...

Bruno, what the fuck is the matter with you? Seriously? You've spent almost a decade of your life trashing the US. That's just pathetic, man. I can't even be pissed off at you about it anymore. You need to see a psychiatrist.

Ayman said...

Bill Kristol is often called a neo-con because he supported the Iraq war.

But he has been supportive of the Eygptian protesters and even criticized Glenn Beck in one of his recent editorials. Kristol tells his fellow neo-cons to Stand For Freedom

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He’s marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it’s a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

      "...most [Americans] are unaware that it was 30
      billion dollars of American aid that created and
      sustained that Egyptian monster.
"
      Anonymous @ 11:45 PM

      "We are unaware of that because it isn't true."
        programmer craig @ 4:36 AM

I'll have to go with the programmer on this one.  The Egyptians created and sustained their own monster.  We have, to some extent, been able to mitigate the potential excesses. 
Since they were first freed from the Turkish Empire at the end of World War I, Arabs from Gibraltar to Baghdad have consistently, uniformly created dictatorships and kingships as their chosen form of government. 
During the Cold War we managed to bribe some into semi-alliance with us; the Soviets managed to bribe the rest into alliance with them.  The one consistent element is that the Arabs, whether aligned with The West, or with the Soviets, always created their very own native dictators and kings to rule over them.  (And those guys damn well expected to be bribed to play along with the super-powers' foreign policy objectives.)  The bribes got them on board with their ‘benefactors’ on foreign policy, so long as we stayed the hell outta their domestic matters, but only so long as we stayed the hell outta their domestic matters.
With the fall of the Soviet Union, we've had a little more freedom to press for more freedom for the average Arab citizen/subject, but, if we try to give the rulers the Arabs chose orders they don't think they can live with, then they'll tell us straight up.  We can go to hell and they'll just keep power anyway and do without the bribe money.  (Have to steal more from the native populations to make up the loss, but that's the whole point of keeping power isn't it?)
The instant case of Egypt is illustrative.  Everybody knows the Obama administration wants Mubarak to go without a further fuss (figuring he's already toast, just a matter of time now, might as well accept it gracefully and let Egypt move on without him at the helm).  Mubarak, however, has no problem at all telling us that he has no intention of going without a fuss.
 

RhusLancia said...

Uh oh. Looks like it was $2.3 billion dollars of US money that created and sustained Mandela. So that's why Bruno's so pissed at us!

Bruno said...

[pc] "Bruno, what the fuck is the matter with you? Seriously? You've spent almost a decade of your life trashing the US"

It gives me something to do between picking my teeth and lashing the slaves. (Plus, making fanatic simians bubble over with rage seems to be oddly soothing.)

Of course, I do notice that you're not exactly denying American support for Mubarak.

Whatever happened to support for democracy, man?

Bruno said...

I bet Craig spends his time throwing darts at a picture of Assange.

Bruno said...

[rhus] "Looks like it was $2.3 billion dollars of US money that created and sustained Mandela. So that's why Bruno's so pissed at us!"

Nelson Mandela 'felt betrayed by Tony Blair's decision to invade Iraq'

Nelson Mandela felt so betrayed by Tony Blair's decision to join the US-led invasion of Iraq that he launched a fiery tirade against him in a phone call to a Cabinet minister, it is disclosed in a new book."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/tony-blair/7997709/Nelson-Mandela-felt-betrayed-by-Tony-Blairs-decision-to-invade-Iraq.html

... try again, sonny.

Bruno said...

I couldn't be bothered to address the random nonsense the ape has spouted, not to mention Anand-in-drag.

RhusLancia said...

so, you have forgiven Mandela (finally!) because he spoke out against Blair's decision, but haven't forgiven the US for creating and sustaining him? Weird.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

...most are unaware that it was 30 billion dollars of American aid that created and sustained that Egyptian monster.

Programmer Craig and Lee already addressed this quite well. I would just add that American aid has been distributed elsewhere as well without a return to dictatorshop or authoritarian regimes. Europe after WWII comes to mind.

Zeyad,

I am happy to see that my fellow countrymen and women are in line with my view. :)

Harrywr2 said...

Ayman said...

Bill Kristol is often called a neo-con because he supported the Iraq war....But he has been supportive of the Eygptian protesters

It's part of neo-con ideology that 'stability at gun point' is not true stability.

Hosni Mubarak is a creation of the liberal Jimmy Carter.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Jimmy Carter shot Sadat?  Are you sure?  This comes as news to me.

Ayman said...

It's part of neo-con ideology that 'stability at gun point' is not true stability.

Harrywr2,

How can you write that when the neo-cons supported military force against Saddam Hussain's regime? Wasn't that an example of 'gun point' foreign policy?

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

Here's a thought:  The peaceful protests and the widening general uprising (still mostly peaceful) in Egypt is almost as hard a blow against al-Qaeda as it is against the ruling class in Egypt.  (I just noticed a press release from al-Qaeda's ‘Islamic State of Iraq’ calling for the addition of some serious bloodletting to the equation and calling on the demostrators to renounce ‘malicious secularism’ and ‘infidel democracy’ and to get out there and start killin’ themselves some western tourists.)

Bridget said...

It's also a blow to the Iranians, as can be judged by how loudly they are proclaiming it to be a defeat for the murk ins.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Rumor is that some Iranians are plotting an unauthorized set of demonstrations ‘in sympathy’ with the demonstators in Egypt, probably Monday.  The ayatollahs are not amused.

Ayman said...

It used to be that the Iranian protesters would hold celebrations of their nation's victories in soccer games. But these celebrations would descend into riots against government buildings. Eventually, even when the Iranian soccer team lost, the protesters would still use the game's aftermath as a reason to celebrate/riot. So, now it looks like the situation in Egypt has replaced the soccer schedule as a motivator to trash government buildings.

Bruno said...

I laugh at Americans when they argue amongst themselves whether American "liberals" or American "neocons" or American "conservatives" supported this or that despot. They seem to forget that they are in fact a minority in a wider audience, and all that this audience hears is that the people that supported those despots are, in fact, Americans.

Please, continue.

Bruno said...

My one consolation is that the wider American public appears to be waking up. Whether this "awakening" (heh) will translate into meaningful foreign policy action remains to be seen. Popular will seems to count for little in forming US foreign policy.

Bruno said...

Azzaman on Egypt and the US:

"The U.S. has shown that it does not understand and comprehend the pulse of the street in the Arab world despite its multifarious intelligence agencies. It has drastically failed to weigh the influence governments, oppositions and Arab populations exercise in the Arab world. It seems the U.S. relies heavily on unilateral sources which are very close to the circles of power in the Middle East and lacks the ability to interpret and decipher the situation and its likely course in the future. In thousands of documents WikiLeaks has released of secret correspondence regarding the Middle East, there has been no hint that the days of U.S. allies in the region were close.

Today, the U.S. tries its best, through contacts with other Arab capitals, to contain the situation. But this time, Washington is not seeking the assistance of International Monetary Fund to help the region’s countries privatize their economy and societies. It is no good blaming the past. The U.S. now realizes change is coming. Arab leaders, after the events in both Tunisia and Egypt, have taught every leader in the Middle East a lesson.But what is striking in all this is the fact that the U.S., while realizing that change is in the offing, does not seem to have grasped the lesson.

The Egyptian people want the whole regime to go. The U.S. is striving to bring about the type of change that will change the head and keep the regime."

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2011-02-06\kurd.htm

Bruno said...

So much for the "reconstruction":

"A Turkish firm is constructing a large power plant for the religious Province of Karbala at a cost of $450 million. The plant, once completed, is to generate 1,250 megawatts, more than the province’s domestic needs currently estimated at 500 megawatts. The Turks are to install 10 gas-driven generating units which will put an end to power cuts in the province and export the surplus to neighboring provinces, said Zuhair Samit, head of the electricity and energy commission at Karbala’s provincial council."

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2011-02-07\kurd.htm

Bruno said...

LEE will soon be here to tell us about extensive US aid to the Egyptian military:

"The Egyptian military secretly detained hundreds, or possibly thousands, of suspected government opponents since the anti-government protests against Egyptian Prime Minister Hosni Mubarak began, and some of the detainees were tortured, reported UK newspaper the Guardian on Wednesday."
The Guardian reported that it had spoken to detainees who said they suffered extensive beatings and other abuses by the military. Those released gave graphic accounts of physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=207577

Bruno said...

News:

A total of seven people were killed and 80 others were wounded in bomb attacks across the country on Wednesday, including three car bombings in Iraq's northern city of Kirkuk. The most deadly attack was a triple car bomb explosions in the morning targeted Kurdish security base and Iraqi forces that killed seven people and wounded 68 others.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-02/09/c_13724884.htm

The Pinocchio Test

Even if you grant the fact that the 1998 showdown with the inspectors was largely due to Saddam Hussein, there is no way one can claim, as Rumsfeld did, that Hussein threw the inspectors out in 2003 -- or that it was the "second or third and fourth time." Rumsfeld has either forgotten the circumstances under which he helped take the United States to war -- which is doubtful, since he just wrote a book about it -- or he is seriously misrepresenting the truth.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/rumsfelds_flight_of_fancy_on_i.html

(Uh, yeah ... it's called LYING.)

Trustworthy:

Donald Rumsfeld wanted a pre-emptive US military strike on a suspected chemical weapons plant in Iraq to proceed just as the then secretary of state, Colin Powell, was making the case for war to the United Nations Security Council in early 2003.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/rumsfeld-wanted-surprise-prewar-strike-on-iraq-plant-20110209-1an06.html

Only the best recruits for Al Qaeda:

"Al Qaeda's Iraq-based arm called on Egyptian Muslims to free all prisoners from their nation's jails, issuing an appeal for holy war as Cairo said Islamist militants had already escaped during anti-government turmoil."

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE71808S20110209

RhusLancia said...

Bruno: "So much for the "reconstruction":"

Ehm, looks like you accidentally posted a bit of good news. Slipping up are ye?

Bruno said...

Ol' Rhus seems to forget that Iraq was already 'reconstructed' by them murkins at huge cost.

Now it looks like the Iraqis are paying again for the Turks to do what (insert cowboy accent) "the world's only superpower" failed so miserably at doing.

How the hell is that GOOD news?

Bruno said...

Well, to put it simply, Egypt has been ruled for thirty years by a dictator who has not hesitated to kill or torture his own people. His military, which is his primary support, has received massive assistance from Washington, totaling more than $60 billion, as a bribe for Egypt’s betrayal of the Palestinians through its signing of a peace treaty with Israel that has enabled the latter to dismember the last vestiges of a possible Palestinian state. Apart from wanting to prop up a dubious arrangement whereby Israel’s most powerful neighbor is neutralized, the United States has no vital interest whatsoever in talking nice to Egypt.

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/02/09/lets-go-to-plan-b/

programmer craig said...

Is Bruno the last of the psychopaths on this blog?

Bruno said...

Geez, Craig, ol' boy, weren't you the chap who wanted to punch me out? I seem to recall something of the sort. "Shoot me an email if y'all ever come to my hick town" wasn't it?

Bruno said...

Iraq:

Three Iraqi soldiers and an Army officer have been injured in an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) blast in Falluja city in Western Iraq's Anbar Province on Wednesday, an Anbar security source said.

http://en.aswataliraq.info/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=140902&l=1

Bruno said...

"WikiLeaks cables, including 07CAIRO3348, released today by the Daily Telegraph, detail the Bush and Obama Administrations were providing training to Egypt’s secret police, the SSIS, which cables and human rights NGOs have repeatedly cited for routine torture of detainees. The cable details SSIS chief Hassan Abdul Rahman describing Egypt’s political rivals as “terrorists, not political oppositionists.” The FBI’s deputy director John Pistole appears to have been at the center of training, and was praised for his “excellent and strong” cooperation with the SSIS."

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/02/09/made-in-america-mubaraks-most-brutal-thugs-trained-with-fbi/

... and I'm the psychopath?

programmer craig said...

Post about Americans overwhelmingly supporting Arab protesters in Egypt, and over half the comments here are irrelevant ones from Bruno insulting Americans.

I guess this is the type of madness that can develop in people who never got over regime change in their own country. I hope Bruno's mental health issues can at least serve as a warning to Iraqis who may feel the same way. Move on with your lives, or you'll be consumed by hatred and bitterness for as long as you live, like Bruno is.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
      "Those released gave graphic accounts of
      physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of
      acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and
      Israel.
"

Supposedly, these Egyptian soldiers are supposed to believe that the Israeli and Hamas are secret allies and are running joint covert ops in Egypt.  And it never occurred to you to question the veracity of the tales being carried by the folks carrying that tale?

Look, Bruno, it's like this:  The Egyptian uprising has al-Qaeda and the Iranian ayatollahs in a freak (the Israeli are nervous 'bout it too, but for other reasons).  With both of our biggest enemies in the Middle East on the wrong side of this one, all the usual anti-American sources are likewise starting to panic.  They're gonna be publishing all kinds of outrageous bullshit for several weeks, and you're gonna be posting what of it you can find.  But, you can't expect us to take them, or you, seriously with this stuff.  Couple of weeks and they'll figure out it didn't get ‘em anywhere, and your sources for craziness will dry up and I don't have to respond to ya'll's antics in the meantime.  Sound and fury signifying nothing, or, not much of anything anyway.  Be like trying to keep up with the rants of Glenn Beck; just ain't ‘nuff hours in the day to debunk all the bunk.  I don't think I need to do that just 'cause you're repeating it.
You come up with anything really interesting, something worth engaging with, I'll be sure and let you know.  ‘Til then, I'll just watch you scramblin’ for something, anything, and I'll be quietly amused.  ‘Cause you seem to sorta share in the panic, and I do find that amusing.

      "Is Bruno the last of the psychopaths on this blog?"

No there's more than just him, couple more anyway.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Gotta be a bit amused here; masses of people in the streets in Egypt and they're not chanting anti-American slogans, and neither were the folks in Tunisia.  They actually have their own problems to think ‘bout and ain't interested today in Bruno rants agin the Evil Merkins.  Suddenly, Bruno finds his whole world is comin’ apart on him.  So, here he is, scramblin’ to try to keep it together, tryin’ to find an Evil Merkin lurkin’ in the bushes somewhere, or, at least, rumor of an Evil Merkin lurkin’, or rumor of a footprint that might have belonged to an Evil Merkin, and yet the crowds just don't care ‘bout that story today.  Sucks to be Bruno today.  And, I am at least moderately amused.

Bruno said...

Gosh, I seem to rank pretty big in the world of somebody who "doesn't want to engage me".

Bruno said...

[pc] "half the comments here are irrelevant ones from Bruno insulting Americans."

American foreign policy and those that support it. In case you haven't noticed, I'm on the side of the 80% + of Americans who support the overthrow of Mubarak.

Of course, whether public US sentiment translates into concrete change of US foreign policy ... that's something else entirely.

Bruno said...

Meanwhile, the simian can continue crowing about all that US aid to the Egyptian military.

Ecclesiastes said...

That so many Americans express an opinion rather than confusion is a testament to the shallowness of the the news.

With what I see on the horizon, Egyptians will look back at Mubarak with nostalgia.

james said...

Read any good bibles lately?

RhusLancia said...

Bruno: "Ol' Rhus seems to forget that Iraq was already 'reconstructed' by them murkins at huge cost."

Ol' Rhus never said the murkins were finished. Obviously there is much left to do, and if the Turks step in to do something to help improve Iragis' lives then it's good news.

Bruno said...

Sorry, murkin crazies:

"Fears that the protests in Egypt would lead to an Islamist takeover have been a point of convergence for the regime of embattled Egyptian ruler Hosni Mubarak and some on the American right. While the feud between Glenn Beck and Bill Kristol is less about connecting the left to radical Islam than when to do so and how crazy to sound when you do it, Kristol and his allies are at least correct in characterizing Beck's fears as overblown.

A new poll of Egyptians commissioned by the Washington Institute on Near East Policy suggests that the Muslim Brotherhood isn't anywhere near as popular as either Mubarak or paranoid conservatives believe them to be.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/poll_no_constituency_for_musli.html

Bruno said...

[rhus] "Ol' Rhus never said the murkins were finished. Obviously there is much left to do"

You tell it like it is, son, and I'll keep postin' them corruption stories to explain why there's much left to do.

Anonymous said...

@ Zeyad.

In case you missed it, quite interesting article on Egypt by American professor Paul Amar, 'Why Egypt's progressives win':

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/20112101030726228.html

Bruno said...

Demos continue:

"Striking doctors and a host of other workers have joined thousands of anti-government protesters in Egypt. Medics wearing white coats streamed into Cairo's Tahrir Square alongside demonstrators who continue to call for President Hosni Mubarak to resign.

A key Cairo hospital was reported to have been closed by strike action as an estimated 3,000 staff walked out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12417205

Anonymous said...

@ All, RE: Leecy, 3:31 AM.

[Lee C.]: "Supposedly, these Egyptian soldiers are supposed to believe that the Israeli and Hamas are secret allies and are running joint covert ops in Egypt".

This batty Referendum monkey Lee is truly brainless.
It was precisely the strongman of the Egyptian regime (and man of the US and Israel), the torturer Omar Suleyman, who alleged in his TV interview of the 3rd of February that the Egyptian people' rebellion had been organised by "a conspiracy between Israel and Hamas". Those soldiers at his orders are just following his line, regardless of whether they believe Suleyman's fantasies or not.

Bruno said...

That WAS an interesting article

Bruno said...

The simian is quite brainless, I agree. I feel almost guilty about poking him every now and again so that he goes off on his chuntering rants. Easy meat.

Anonymous said...

@ my favourite Ape, 'Programmer' Craig.

Nice to see you again after so long, dear white-arsed beast!

So, tell me, after all these years, are you VEWY happy that the Iraqi boss who came to power as a result of your glorious 'libewation of Eyewack', al-Maliki, was a member of the group (International Dawa) that (rightly) transformed some hundreds of your Marine comrades into little charred bits in Beyruth, 1983?
Are you still vewy happy with the result of your 'libewating' invasion, and find it worth it, dear Ape, lol???

RhusLancia said...

Bye Hosni.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

NBC News was just on the air with a ‘Special Report’ that Mubarak will announce today that he is resigning, stepping down.  Appears to have been forced by the military.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
      "Omar Suleyman…alleged in his TV interview
      of the 3rd of February that the Egyptian people'
      rebellion had been organised by ‘’a conspiracy
      between Israel and Hamas…
"
      The ersatz ‘Italian
No, he did not.  If he had you'd be offering up a cite to the transcript.  You make no such offer ‘cause he said no such thing.  ‘They're gonna be publishing outrageous bullshit for weeks’ as I mentioned above.  You're one of ‘them’.

Anonymous said...

@ Lee C., 10:13 AM.

Stop making a fool of yaself, poor Dixiemonkey.

Anonymous said...

@ All.

To remind everybody about WHO Omar Suleyman, to whom in all probability dictator Mubarak will hand over his powers, is:

'Suleiman: The CIA's man in Cairo.
Suleiman, a friend to the US and reported torturer, has long been touted as a presidential successor.', by Californian academic Lisa Hajjar:

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
      "Stop making a fool of yaself, poor Dixiemonkey".
      "The ersatz ‘Italian’ @ 10:20 AM

So, you're gonna try to go find that imaginary transcript for us then, are ya?  This should get interesting.  Knock yourself out.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Ya'll notice that the ersatz ‘Italian’ got kinda quiet all of a sudden?

And, Glenn Beck is on the air right now for his four hour radio rant, even now bemoaning the loss of Mubarak.  Perhaps unsurprisingly ‘nuff, he's also raggin’ on Suleiman.  Gives him and Bruno and the ersatz ‘Italian’ a rare point of agreement I reckon.
Beck, however, is not making that claim that ‘the Egyptian people' [sic] rebellion had been organised by ‘a conspiracy between Israel and Hamas’."  So, no help for the ‘Italian’ on that front.  He's still havin’ to do his own hunt for the imaginary transcript of that imaginary conversation.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

[Craig]Is Bruno the last of the psychopaths on this blog?

[Italian]@ my favourite Ape,...

There now, you called it forth. It had been quiet for quite some time.

*sigh*

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Now that it's all but certain that Mubarak is getting ushered out, I suppose it's time to belabor the obvious.
The ‘new’ Egypt is, short term, very likely going to be a rather less comfortable fit for us than was the supposedly ‘stable’ Egypt that Mubarak ruled.  However, we've been naggin’ Mubarak for years to lighten up and open up his government.  And, for years, he's been ignoring us.  We really had very little influence over Egyptian domestic policy.  And we knew that, and we've seen this comin’ for years.  Pretty much knew it was comin’, didn't know when it'd get here, but pretty much knew it was comin’.
So, however much less comfortable we might be in the short term with the new Egypt, continuing to back Mubarak was a loser all across the board.  There was no winning hand for us in such a policy.  No inside straight, no four card draw full of aces.  It just wasn't in the cards.  Backin’ Mubarak against the tide was a losin’ play all ways. He wouldn't listen to us when it might have made a difference, and so this is the result.
Might as well accept the new reality and learn to deal with it; it was comin’ some time, even if we'd tried to fight it back; it was still comin’.  Might as well face the inevitable.  

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

   
Hannity is on the air for his daily radio rant now.  Not a happy camper.  Busily bemoaning the loss of Mubarak.  He ain't makin’ a whole hell of a lot of sense (it being a surprise to him, he had no rant planned out for this, and he's havin’ to wing it), but he's makin’ up for the lack of good sense by talkin’ loud and fast and sayin’ ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ over and over again.

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

   
Not resigning!  (If the translation I'm getting is correct; translator is a bit hesitant.)  Trying again for something short of his own resignation.  This might get ugly real soon; the crowd in the square was already celebrating. 

programmer craig said...

Sorry, Lynnette! I guess Bruno must have called for backup.

Don't worry, Bruno. I was just passing through.

Anonymous said...

@ Lyingette, the rapist Apette, 12:59 PM.

Cheeky as always, I see, dear beastie!

And you're the animal that, according to her nature, wrote a couple of days ago:
"If Suleiman is seated as interim President of Egypt then there needs to be a clear cut timetable for free elections to replace him".

So, right, the torturer-in-chief and main murderer of the regime has to stay there to prepare "free elections" (LOL!!!), and the Egyptian people, while being raped by his thugs, should try and enjoy it???

And when you wonder why what you write results disgusting to people, and have the cheek to call people psychopaths, LOL!!!

Truly "sigh", oh sick beast Lyingette!

   Lee C.  ―  U.S.A.       said...

 
Yo, ‘Italian’!  How ya comin’ along with the search for that imaginary transcript of that imaginary interview with Suleiman?

Bruno said...

"Hundreds of lawyers took to the streets across Iraq on Thursday to protest against widespread corruption and unemployment in demonstrations inspired by anti-government uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

The demonstrations in Baghdad, Karbala, Kut, Ramadi and Amara came a day after Iraq's anti-corruption chief said ministers frequently covered up graft in their departments.

In the capital, around 500 people, mostly lawyers but also including some tribal sheikhs, called for the government to open up so-called "secret prisons" to scrutiny, give detainees access to legal counsel and take stronger measures to fight corruption and boost employment."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ikeW0bNYaSQH5DL4z8NECFbUE7KQ?docId=CNG.291c623e59a4e8e7c0ad140eed5e14c4.711

Bruno said...

FLEE "that imaginary interview with Suleiman?"

The simian loses again:

"And day before yesterday, Suleiman’s interview on national TV in Egypt was kind of like the Glenn Beck stroking your bunny moment for Suleiman. He really was just nuts. He blamed the protests on a combination of Hamas and Israel and al-Qaeda and Anderson Cooper, and everybody just thought that was just creepy and weird. "

http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk/Thread-A-Two-Hour-Special-on-the-Revolt-Against-the-Mubarak-Regime-Democracy-Now

... tis to be expected of course. How can a base animal compete with actual, live humans?

Bruno said...

"The early evening in Egypt was filled with jubilation, as the state media broadcast reports pointing to the imminent ouster of reviled President Hosni Mubarak and promised a 10:00 PM speech that everyone assumed would be a resignation speech.

10:00 PM arrived, and the state media was broadcasting sports news and tourism promos. No explanation was given, and it wasn’t until 10:30 PM, fashionably late perhaps, that Hosni Mubarak finally emerged to deliver the words everyone wanted to hear. But he didn’t.

Instead, Mubarak’s speech was as patronizing as ever, insisting “foreign pressure” was trying to chase him out and vowing to remain in office"

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/02/10/rage-confusion-in-egypt-as-mubarak-resignation-never-happens/

Bruno said...

Yo FLEE! How's that list of your defeats comin' along? Need a calculator?

Bruno said...

Mohamed ElBaradei, Egypt’s Nobel Peace Prize recipient, has blasted Obama’s stance by saying: “To ask a dictator to implement democratic measures after thirty years in power is an oxymoron. It will not end until he leaves.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/gray02102011.html

Bruno said...

[pc] "Don't worry, Bruno. I was just passing through."

Hey, maybe I'll look you up. Shoot you that email. or something.

programmer craig said...

Hey, maybe I'll look you up. Shoot you that email. or something.

It's been what, 4 or 5 years? If you're waiting for me to die of old age I don't think it'll work. You gonna die of a heart attack or a stroke long before I'm too old to beat your ass :)

programmer craig said...

And besides that, you're prolly older than me anyway so all this smack talking from the factory floor in south africa isn't working to your advantage.

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